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		<title>By: 310 vs 213 &#124; State of Unique</title>
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		<dc:creator>310 vs 213 &#124; State of Unique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the city. Scrappy vs. established, maybe. And amazingly, that one little decision has been a serious point of contention. People honestly pull us aside and tell us why it actually should be design east of Vermont or [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the city. Scrappy vs. established, maybe. And amazingly, that one little decision has been a serious point of contention. People honestly pull us aside and tell us why it actually should be design east of Vermont or [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 310 vs. 213 &#124; Gelatobaby</title>
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		<dc:creator>310 vs. 213 &#124; Gelatobaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the city. Scrappy vs. established, maybe. And amazingly, that one little decision has been a serious point of contention. People honestly pull us aside and tell us why it actually should be design east of Vermont or [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the city. Scrappy vs. established, maybe. And amazingly, that one little decision has been a serious point of contention. People honestly pull us aside and tell us why it actually should be design east of Vermont or [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 310 is a joke &#124; Gelatobaby</title>
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		<dc:creator>310 is a joke &#124; Gelatobaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the city. Scrappy vs. established, maybe. And amazingly, that one little decision has been a serious point of contention. People honestly pull us aside and tell us why it actually should be design east of Vermont or [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the city. Scrappy vs. established, maybe. And amazingly, that one little decision has been a serious point of contention. People honestly pull us aside and tell us why it actually should be design east of Vermont or [...]</p>
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		<title>By: chimatli</title>
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		<dc:creator>chimatli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See the thing is, before you moved to LA, being from the &quot;Eastside&quot; did mean something. It meant something for my grandparents, my parents and me, three generations of Boyle Heights folks. Then sometime in the late 90s some people unfamiliar with Los Angeles and it&#039;s history, started calling Silver Lake the Eastside. As you can imagine, this is quite insulting and offensive to the millions of folks who really lived in a part of town known for a hundred years as the &quot;Eastside.&quot; Worse, it also smacked of racism because most of us original Eastside dwellers happen to be Mexican and Mexican-American. It reinforces the idea that newbie Angelenos and the aloof Westsiders disregard not only a whole geographic area of the city that they can&#039;t be bothered to familiarize themselves with, but are also shitting on the decades old culture my neighbors, my family and myself have created. Check our website &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.laeastside.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.laeastside.com&lt;/a&gt; for examples of Eastside culture. I hope this explains why it is such an important issue to many of us. For myself, the stealing of our neighborhood name and culture is a modern day example of colonialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See the thing is, before you moved to LA, being from the &#8220;Eastside&#8221; did mean something. It meant something for my grandparents, my parents and me, three generations of Boyle Heights folks. Then sometime in the late 90s some people unfamiliar with Los Angeles and it&#39;s history, started calling Silver Lake the Eastside. As you can imagine, this is quite insulting and offensive to the millions of folks who really lived in a part of town known for a hundred years as the &#8220;Eastside.&#8221; Worse, it also smacked of racism because most of us original Eastside dwellers happen to be Mexican and Mexican-American. It reinforces the idea that newbie Angelenos and the aloof Westsiders disregard not only a whole geographic area of the city that they can&#39;t be bothered to familiarize themselves with, but are also shitting on the decades old culture my neighbors, my family and myself have created. Check our website <a href="http://www.laeastside.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.laeastside.com</a> for examples of Eastside culture. I hope this explains why it is such an important issue to many of us. For myself, the stealing of our neighborhood name and culture is a modern day example of colonialism.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Gamble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale Gamble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi<br />
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good luck</p>
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		<title>By: Alissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an LABJ article that Robert90033 sent me that gives some Westside perspective. According to the piece, because &quot;Westside&quot; is supposedly more desirable to homebuyers, the definition can stretch all the way east to Hoover and Hyperion! And there&#039;s even &quot;West Westside&quot; and &quot;East Westside&quot;: &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thefreelibrary.com/L.A.%27s+Westside%3a+wherever+you+want+it+to+be.-a0139718586&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LA&#039;s Westside: wherever you want it to be&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an LABJ article that Robert90033 sent me that gives some Westside perspective. According to the piece, because &#8220;Westside&#8221; is supposedly more desirable to homebuyers, the definition can stretch all the way east to Hoover and Hyperion! And there&#8217;s even &#8220;West Westside&#8221; and &#8220;East Westside&#8221;: &#8220;<a href="http://www.thefreelibrary.com/L.A.%27s+Westside%3a+wherever+you+want+it+to+be.-a0139718586" rel="nofollow">LA&#8217;s Westside: wherever you want it to be</a>.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert90033</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert90033</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alissa,



    The only ones confused are the &quot;transplants&quot; who come to our City and live exclusively in one area and then begin to rearrange the City&#039;s boundaries, rename areas of the City that already have traditional community names then make boastful ignorant statements such as &quot;living in a city without a center&quot;, &quot;supposedly called Northeast Los Angeles&quot; and &quot;was just an unincorporated part of the city&quot;.  For people like myself, who have lived here for generations, it&#039;s very frustrating. Especially when these very same transplants have the power of the media, printed or otherwise, on their side and are therefore able to spread their ignorance to a larger population. The arrogance of some of these transplants is very annoying and their refusal to hear out and respect the views and opinions of Native Angelenos makes it all the more hurtful. So please before you make another statement such as &quot;piss people off&quot; and &quot;awfully territorial&quot; try and read up on the history of your adapted city and who knows perhaps you too will find yourself correcting transplants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alissa,</p>
<p>    The only ones confused are the &#8220;transplants&#8221; who come to our City and live exclusively in one area and then begin to rearrange the City&#8217;s boundaries, rename areas of the City that already have traditional community names then make boastful ignorant statements such as &#8220;living in a city without a center&#8221;, &#8220;supposedly called Northeast Los Angeles&#8221; and &#8220;was just an unincorporated part of the city&#8221;.  For people like myself, who have lived here for generations, it&#8217;s very frustrating. Especially when these very same transplants have the power of the media, printed or otherwise, on their side and are therefore able to spread their ignorance to a larger population. The arrogance of some of these transplants is very annoying and their refusal to hear out and respect the views and opinions of Native Angelenos makes it all the more hurtful. So please before you make another statement such as &#8220;piss people off&#8221; and &#8220;awfully territorial&#8221; try and read up on the history of your adapted city and who knows perhaps you too will find yourself correcting transplants.</p>
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		<title>By: Alissa</title>
		<link>http://www.gelatobaby.com/2008/09/25/born-in-east-la/comment-page-1/#comment-1600</link>
		<dc:creator>Alissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure most of you have seen this, but here&#039;s a new story that may explain (or further confuse) many of the arguments here: &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080930/ap_on_re_us/east_la_cityhood&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;East L.A seeks to become a city of its own&lt;/a&gt;.&quot; Thanks, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tokyofarm.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Spencer&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure most of you have seen this, but here&#8217;s a new story that may explain (or further confuse) many of the arguments here: &#8220;<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080930/ap_on_re_us/east_la_cityhood" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">East L.A seeks to become a city of its own</a>.&#8221; Thanks, <a href="http://www.tokyofarm.com" rel="nofollow">Spencer</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: chimatli</title>
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		<dc:creator>chimatli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I think it&#039;s interesting you say:
&quot;You would probably do well to understand most people using that term in a way you disagree with have absolutely know idea that there is a debate.&quot;

Hmmm, well that&#039;s exactly why folks like Al and myself are trying to bring attention to this error. Your version of the Eastside was a mistake. A mistake that&#039;s been repeated by newcomers who did not know that the other half of the city was right across the river. And the reason they didn&#039;t know about the other half of the city was cause they probably didn&#039;t know anyone there. And the reason they probably didn&#039;t know anyone there is cause it&#039;s a working class neighborhood filled with lots of Brown people. And the reason it&#039;s a Brown working class neighborhood is because of the not-so-in-the-past racial housing covenants for non-White people in the city. And the reason those covenants existed is cause White people only wanted to live with other White people...And because they only lived with other people like themselves, they forgot that the other half of the city, The Eastside still existed.

I&#039;m sorry I had to break it down this way. I usually don&#039;t like to bring issues of race into this argument but it&#039;s the historical white elephant in the room (or should I say neighborhood?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I think it&#8217;s interesting you say:<br />
&#8220;You would probably do well to understand most people using that term in a way you disagree with have absolutely know idea that there is a debate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmm, well that&#8217;s exactly why folks like Al and myself are trying to bring attention to this error. Your version of the Eastside was a mistake. A mistake that&#8217;s been repeated by newcomers who did not know that the other half of the city was right across the river. And the reason they didn&#8217;t know about the other half of the city was cause they probably didn&#8217;t know anyone there. And the reason they probably didn&#8217;t know anyone there is cause it&#8217;s a working class neighborhood filled with lots of Brown people. And the reason it&#8217;s a Brown working class neighborhood is because of the not-so-in-the-past racial housing covenants for non-White people in the city. And the reason those covenants existed is cause White people only wanted to live with other White people&#8230;And because they only lived with other people like themselves, they forgot that the other half of the city, The Eastside still existed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry I had to break it down this way. I usually don&#8217;t like to bring issues of race into this argument but it&#8217;s the historical white elephant in the room (or should I say neighborhood?)</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Desmadre I cant answer most of your post simply because it assumes things that just are based on your own idiosyncratic assumptions, like I feel the need to justify anything because of some guilt complex or people use the term to feel important. Most newcomers just use the term because they believe they live in a cool newly gentrified area and want differentiate themselves from those living on the Westside. Not out of spite.  You would probably do well to understand most people using that term in a way you disagree with have absolutely know idea that there is a debate. It would make you less presumptuous and your arguments more effective.

To answer your question about the term fluidity of the city it measns that the term &quot;Eastside&quot; that you are talking about is historically a recent incarnation that evolved because it made sense to the population living there. before that term there was an east/west division of streets and before that there was a small town along the river  &quot;El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora de Los Angeles. The Name Los Angeles itself is a product of Spanish Colonization and I&#039;m sure there was a term for the area by native people. Those previous monikers where relevant to those using them. It means that some people call Atwater the Eastside and some don&#039;t.  It also means that there are interpretations about the exact nature of the so called Eastside border from all sides and differing opinions within each group and you are not the ultimate authority or that anyone who disagrees with you is callous. 

Except that I find your self righteous attitude obnoxious I don&#039;t think I disagree with what I understand your point to be which is how do we preserve the character and acknowledge the history in the face of gentrification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Desmadre I cant answer most of your post simply because it assumes things that just are based on your own idiosyncratic assumptions, like I feel the need to justify anything because of some guilt complex or people use the term to feel important. Most newcomers just use the term because they believe they live in a cool newly gentrified area and want differentiate themselves from those living on the Westside. Not out of spite.  You would probably do well to understand most people using that term in a way you disagree with have absolutely know idea that there is a debate. It would make you less presumptuous and your arguments more effective.</p>
<p>To answer your question about the term fluidity of the city it measns that the term &#8220;Eastside&#8221; that you are talking about is historically a recent incarnation that evolved because it made sense to the population living there. before that term there was an east/west division of streets and before that there was a small town along the river  &#8220;El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora de Los Angeles. The Name Los Angeles itself is a product of Spanish Colonization and I&#8217;m sure there was a term for the area by native people. Those previous monikers where relevant to those using them. It means that some people call Atwater the Eastside and some don&#8217;t.  It also means that there are interpretations about the exact nature of the so called Eastside border from all sides and differing opinions within each group and you are not the ultimate authority or that anyone who disagrees with you is callous. </p>
<p>Except that I find your self righteous attitude obnoxious I don&#8217;t think I disagree with what I understand your point to be which is how do we preserve the character and acknowledge the history in the face of gentrification.</p>
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